Steve H. is not working on a Walken Screenplay. ‘Til then, he’s got word of people with real probs:
What I find so amusing about “Retardo” is that he’s a guy who, at various times, has called himself “Penius” and “Ebeneezer Spooge”—along with several other references to the flip side of the joy coin (“hemiSPHINCTER,” eg)—yet still he pretends to be alternately outraged and bemused by my supposedly “obsessive” use of “cock.”
Mary, I think you mentally misplaced Ed’s semi-colon – if I’m not mistaken, he was saying that from the start he’s wished you the best, not that from the start he’s tried to enlist support for your agenda.
Dr. J., you are welcome here. But I’m otherwise engaged at present.
[...] Posted by The CA on January 27th, 2007 The conversation about blogging manners and fairness over at Fec’ blog (Vie de Malchance) has continued on without my participation. Here is why and my response that did not make it through: [...]
Finished the blinds. Fingers are bruised and bleeding.
Thanks Fec, but I’m done here mentally misplacing things. It’s a Saturday night. You should be otherwise engaged.
Potato, either way you interpret that one, the Mountain Dew still stings.
I love you too, Fec.
Bubba, I’m actually starting to like you guys. To wit, I didn’t want you to feel left out.
Frankly I find it simply amazing that the critics of Blogsboro are unable to see the truth: Blogsboro grows stronger and gains new members every time they attack, no one has ever been turned away and Fec was the only one kicked out and now he’s one of our most ardent supporters even though politically he’s to the right of most of our membership. And they still accuse us of being exclusive– go figure.
Good morning Fec. You were kicked out of Blogsboro? I really need a history lesson.
William, I am going to risk crawling out of my hole to address you directly. For the record, I’ve got NO PROBLEM with “Blogsboro”. I may brush off the dirt (from my hole) and show up someday when you least expect it. Then I will write a poem.
I have always been willing to sit down with a “citizen” (or real – HA!) journalist and discuss my little blog project for justice. But all I get is the mealy-mouthed “I wish you well” (worthy of the innocent bystanders at Guilford). Wishing gets so much done.
Last fall, I had issues with Converge South, which I did not attend in large part because of matters of health. Surgery takes you out of the socializing mood. You weren’t “attacked”. Get over yourself.
I stated those issues and got eaten for lunch by people who seem to be able to liberally (get it?) dish out the criticism but cannot take it. The fact that they run in a pack and sometimes hang out at Blogsboro does not mean that when I challenge something they do (be it snark, bad manners, sucking up to the wife of a never-ending Presidential candidate, or passing out confidential police reports) I’m criticizing Blogsboro.
It’s Sunday morning. I have not had my coffee yet. And I need to be otherwise engaged.
Good morning, Dr. J. Here’s today’s history lesson.
GSO101 came online around the first of 2005. The N&R promoted it, and I started hanging out. A couple of months later I got a blog and joined. In May, I met the folks from Revolution Mills after a Meetup, said some things I had been told, could not prove them and made a really big mess.
I also took on Ed Cone that summer over an issue I will not even mention. Needless to say, I got nowhere.
There were a lot of active bloggers then who don’t come around any more. I miss them still, but life changes and people move on. What ever happened to Hardy Floyd?
Here’s the thing: I spend every day telling the people in my life what I think they want to hear. I am an Enabler. This is the only place where I can say exactly what I feel and think. But a lot of my opinions are not completely formed and often I am just wrong. Ed, Roch, Chewie, theShu, Lex, Billy, Hogg and others spent a lot of time educating me. If I am a blogger today, it is largely due to them.
Open your minds to the notion that you might be wrong.
I remember early 2005. Most know I “discovered” blogging the day after my Father died. Sitting in his study, mindlessly surfing while I composed his eulogy, I landed on JR’s Blog (as you say, promoting local blogdom) and answered an invitation. I remember it like yesterday, but it will have already been two years February 2.
I get the Enabler thing. Alas, because of my agenda (about which my opinions are completely formed), I must sign my name.
The best educations are a two-way street.
Off to buy curtains.
“Open your minds to the notion that you might be wrong.”
Do you think some of the great lights in the local blogosphere would ever do that?
Of the names you mention in the previous paragraph, there are three who NEVER admit they are wrong.
Ah, and they contend you guys never admit to being wrong. I’m out of this one ’cause I always admit to being wrong. See, I’m married – to a woman.
Was busy yesterday getting my nails done with my daughter and answering comments while I was in and out. Was pointed here late last night but didn’t have time to read or comment. This a.m., I see this:
“So if you want to continue this conversation, take it to my blog…O yeah baby. You and Roch and Sue have all been SOOOOOOO sweet. I just suffered a Mountain Dew Sinus wash. It stings. Curses.”
Ed, if you haven’t gotten it, but I’m sure you have, there’s an ownership issue going on. She got really piqued when I took a comment deep in a thread and made it a topic in my own blog because it was interesting to me. These has since been the new meme: link to me, write on my blog instead of yours. I’ve seen it on your blog, Ed…”why don’t you answer at so-and-so’s blog?” [I think that was Guarino's in that case.]
This isn’t about “Blogsboro” or community at all. It’s about “my” blog, getting “me” attention and links, “promoting me,” and has little to do with welcoming attitudes. There was huge national discussion yesterday from a question I asked that got moved to Scobles, my place, Engadget, and a Microsoft evangelist’s place in NC, about the obligation of A-Listers to link to anyone else. OTOH, some felt, “YES! They must do it!” and others were, “Write something interesting and I will.”
[BTW, was I cranky that Scoble took my question and asked it on HIS blog instead of answering on mine? Nope. Got more answers (90 and counting yesterday) and more people involved that way. Nor was I upset that Engadget picked it up. Or over the 12 pingbacks.]
Our disaffected bloggers should read those posts and comments. I think they’d learn that they’ll rarely get linked to if their behavior is ugly and (as you can see above) a repeat performance of blaming others all the time and creating cabals, even when they’re not here, like I wasn’t yesterday.
People don’t link to one-issue bloggers (“about Microsoft” is not one issue). A-Listers scour blogs to find interesting, timely, diverse topics. Where ugliness reigns, links don’t flow. Self-righteousness rarely rules, unless it’s about an OS. And I don’t consider myself an A-Lister. There are only about 50 of them worldwide.
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Fec, I had the same issue with WordPress dumping good comments into trash. If you whitelist the domain in options, generally it’ll work. If you are using Akismet, you have to check 2 or 3 and say “yes” to the “send-these-to-Akismet” choice to be reviewed for false positives.
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Sorry Fec. I thought this one was over. So getting married will enable me to be always right . . . at least with one person?
More sarcasm for the alert: Sue loves me.
Now (Sue) let’s get down to the catfight and look at this with readers on. You tell people to go start their own blogs (contribute our “one voice” to the “community” and all that). Then you don’t read them (“I don’t read this blog” is a direct quote . . . when you announced your presence at mine). You only “slum” when your name is mentioned or your blog is linked. In the instance you referenced, you hijacked the thread without mentioning the blog’s name/owner (that would be me, Me, ME), because the discussion was “top level”.
I was not cranky because you did it. I was cranky because of the way you did it . . . and that you seemed to be so full of yourself in doing it.
I freely acknowledge that I have an agenda for being in the blogosphere. So ownership does play into this. As a relative newbie, I ask questions about blogging etiquette because I do not know. Of course, Ed kept his New Year’s Resolution and did not answer the question.
Direct quote from an e-mail to Sam last night: ” . . . one of the best things Fec ever did to me was call me a “whack-job”. It made me stop and re-group . . . it pushed me to grow in this so-called art form and be a better blogger. I re-vamped my website and started blogging on my own blog in earnest. I still chase JR and Ed – but only when they really push my buttons. And I am better off for it. People are listening now.”
Evidence: Guarino’s nod to a story you and the local papers have dissed because the other side is taking the Fifth.
This is ALL about the fact that I criticized Converge South.
Get over it.
I’m very glad to have you back here,Sue. If you and Dr. J. consider this neutral ground, have at it.
Re lost comments: if the e-mail and website are entered properly, I think it’s OK.
Interesting idea. As I don’t read her blog (anymore) either.
Fun. Fun. Fun. We’re “national” now.
If I’m Narcissus then who is my Nemesis? something to think about.
No, it’s not. Narcissism is the exact opposite of the myth. These people actually despise themselves and their sociopathic actions spring from that.
That’s deep man.
I think the psychologists could have chosen a little better.
Definition: “promote”
In the blogosphere, “promoting” means to take something out of comments and make it a post. DrJ didn’t. I did.
Definition: “hijack”
In the blogosphere, “hijacking” means to take someone else’s commentary or content and pass it off as your own. I did not. I waited for DrJ to do it, and when she didn’t. So I did.
Sorry, no “cat fight” to entertain men. Not my style. Poor blogging techniques or knowledge can always be improved, Mary.
If you want to speak to me, don’t do it in someone else’s comments. I’m in the book. And online.
Sue, I assure you I do not find this entertaining.
Re; Promote. You promoted yourself and your pet project (Converge South) at my expense. You blog being “top-level” and all that.
Re: Hijack. I have no idea what you just said. Poor language techniques can be improved.
Catfights do not just entertain men. I thought you were a liberal.
You don’t read my blog. I don’t read yours. At this rate, I won’t be coming to any future parties. So Fec’s idea was a actually a good one – and very hospitable.
Fec, off topic, we have recently conversed about Garland Yates. At your leisure, please check out my last blog post . . . on my recent “sociopathic” efforts of late:) I’ve had some “success” and I don’t know what to do with it.
Mary, please. Get an education. “Top-level” does not refer to my blog. It refers to being a post and not a comment. The term “top level” comes from domain naming. “XYZ.com” is a top-level domain, or TLD, as opposed to being a subdomain (blog.XYZ.com) or a directory (XYZ.com/blog). In a blog, “top level” is post level, and not something hidden in comments that many interested people might not otherwise see in RSS feed.
One more time: “hijack” would be my taking your content and saying it’s mine; which I didn’t do. A question was raised that was off-topic for the post. It was buried deep in comments. I made a post out of it (which happens all the darned time, see Scoble’s taking mine yesterday) and never said that the question was mine. I “promoted” the discussion to a post (which you did not) and never claimed it was my own content. Your blog’s comment was linked to; the fact Bubba asked the question was clear. There was blockquote to indicate the words weren’t (all) mine.
Jeez, what is it that you’re trying so hard not to get? Next time, learn how to move a comment to a post and stop complaining that someone else “took” something (again, which I did not) that you didn’t know what to do with.
Sue, jeez, PLEASE get over yourself. My meager education was in medicine, for all it should have been in evil-business or evil-law. You know I’m not a techno-geek. Indeed many of us “newbies” aren’t, so if you say something in techno-speak and we take it literally (in which context it sounds arrogant in the extreme) whose fault is that? Climb down off that high horse and listen to yourself. God knows you’ve said the same kind of thing to me.
Fec has already said he is not enjoying this. I’ve got to tend to more pressing issues (relevant to real life as opposed to blog life) right now (you see, I do have a life, no matter what you may think). Plus I’m mourning the death of a fine racehorse.
So you go back to your corner and your important friends and I’ll go back to mine. Have a nice day.
1 point awarded to Dr. J. for making me laugh.
BTW, I said I wasn’t entertained – until now.
Sue,
Where does one get an education for blogging?
I would like to read and become educated…..
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